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01 - Introduction
to the Trinity Doctrine.
Part 02 - The Father is the Supreme and
Most High God.
Part 03 - Who is Jesus?
Part 04 - True meaning of the word 'God'.
Part 05 - Scriptures that are used to support
the Trinity doctrine.
Part 06 - What christians have said prior
to Nicea.
Part 07 - How
the Trinity doctrine came about.
Part 08 - Why
challenge the Trinity doctrine?
Part 09 - Trinity
doctrine conclusion.
Part 10 - How
can the Trinity doctrine be wrong?
Part
11 - 100
verses that show God and Jesus to be different.
Part 12 - Join a discussion on the Trinity
doctrine.
Part 03 (Who is Jesus?)
Matthew
3:17 (English-NIV)
"And
a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am
well pleased"
If the Father
is God, then who is Jesus?
Well the above scripture says that Jesus is God's son. The scriptures are very
clear with the identity of Jesus.
Jesus even asked Peter who he was and Jesus commended Peter for his answer.
In fact Jesus built his Church on the truth that Peter uttered.
In Matthew 16:13-17 (English-NIV) it says
13
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples,
"Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others,
Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed
to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church,
and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Notice that Peter
didn't say to Jesus, "You are God", as many today say.
If Jesus were God then this would have been the perfect opportunity to declare
that?
Many people today given this opportunity would declare that Jesus is God. So
why didn't Peter just say that Jesus was God as most who believe in the Trinity
would have. Because this revelation didn't come from man, but from the Father.
Also the Father himself not only revealed this truth to Peter, but God our Father
also declared this truth to James, John, and Peter with Elijah and Moses as
witnesses:
Mark
9:7 (English-NIV)
Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice
came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!"
So who are we
to argue or change this truth?
See also Matthew
17:5 for a parallel account and 2
Peter 1:17 as confirmation
It is also
interesting to note that the demons never referred to Jesus as God. They referred
to him as the Son of God. See Matthew
8:29 (English-NIV)
"What
do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to
torture us before the appointed time?"
Luke
4:41 (English-NIV)
Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, "You
are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to
speak, because they knew he was the Christ.
Even Satan didn't refer to Jesus as God but rather the Son of God.
See Matthew
4:3-6 (English-NIV)
3
The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these
stones to become bread."
4 Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on
every word that comes from the mouth of God."
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest
point of the temple.
6 "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it
is written: "`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not
strike your foot against a stone.'
Philippians 2:8-11 (English-NIV) Shows us that eventually everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This is the correct confession. If everyone will eventually confess this truth, then why not start now. To declare that Jesus Christ is God is a different confession and shows a lack of understanding about who Jesus really is.
8
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient
to death, even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name
that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and
under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of
God the Father.
Many today do not understand that Lord and God are 2 different words. Just as Pharaoh was the true ruler of Egypt, he gave his authority to Joseph who was Lord over all the Pharaoh's kingdom. It must also be noted that Lord and LORD are 2 different words. The Father is LORD and Jesus is Lord. Translators capitalize the name of God as LORD which causes this confusion. So Jesus being Lord is not the same as the LORD in the Old Testament. LORD comes from the name of God, YHWH.
To say that Jesus is the LORD is to say that he is the one true God (YHWH) and it is not correct and nor is it taught in scripture. When referring to Jesus, he is Lord and we know that there are many lords. Landlords, warlords, lords over kingdoms etc. But God made Jesus Lord over all creation or over all that is of God.
Acts
2:36 (English NIV)
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God
has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Acts
10:36 (English NIV)
You know the message God sent to the people of Israel,
telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
The following
7 scriptures reveal Jesus true identity.
These scripture do not mention a Trinity or even hint at such a thought.
If you want to believe in the real Jesus, then believe these scriptures,
and know that they were inspired by God himself. If we are true disciples, we
will trust in the scriptures rather than the cleverly devised doctrines of man.
Colossians
1:12-16 (English-NIV)
12
giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance
of the saints in the kingdom of light.
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the
kingdom of the Son he loves,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible
and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things
were created by him and for him.
Hebrews
1:1-6 (English-NIV)
1
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times
and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed
heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation
of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he
had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty
in heaven.
4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited
is superior to theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today
I have become your Father" Or again, "I will be his Father, and he
will be my Son"
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let
all God's angels worship him."
Revelation
1:4-6 (English-NIV)
4
John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you
from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits
before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from
the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and
has freed us from our sins by his blood,
6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Fatherhood
him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
John 1:1 (English-NIV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was god.
Ephesians
1:22
And God placed all things under his feet and appointed
him to be head over everything for the church,
Revelation 3:14 (English-KJV)
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of
the creation of God;
John
1:3 (English-NIV)
Through him all things were made; without him nothing
was made that has been made.
These 7
passages of scripture show us the following:
So Jesus is the Image of God, the Son of God and the beginning of the creation of God. Being an image is a simple declaration that you are not the original and to be a Son is also a declaration that you have a source and the source is the Father. It is very easy to understand, but the Trinity doctrine tries very hard to confuse the minds of believers, so that they do not understand the truth that God is a person/identity and that this God has a son who is like him.
The Trinity doctrine would have us believe that the Father, Son have always existed for all eternity together, when in actual fact it is God the Father who has existed for all eternity. Jesus came from the Father and all of creation came from Jesus including Man and the woman came from the Man.
The Father is the one who is from everlasting to everlasting see the
following scripture:
Revelation
1:4-6 (English-NIV)
4
John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you
from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven
spirits before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn
from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves
us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
Jesus is the Word of God. Another title that states he is of God or from God.
Revelation
19:11-13 (English-KJV)
11
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider
is called Faithful and True.
With justice he judges and makes war.
12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a
name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Acts
3:15 (English-NIV)
You
killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are
witnesses of this.
Here we can see that Jesus is the author of life, yet it was God that raised him from the dead. So we cannot say as many do that Jesus is God because creation came from him. Rather we have to understand that God created all things though his Word, who is Christ.
The next scripture shows us that the Father is God and Jesus is his son. We read that Jesus himself learned obedience through suffering, just like us. We are then called to obey Jesus who is the high priest and our eternal salvation. But if Jesus were God, then how could he actually learn something. Isn't God suppose to be all knowing?
Hebrews 5:8-10 (English-NIV)
8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what
he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for
all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Continuing with the theme of God being all knowing, below you will see scriptures that show us that Jesus was not all knowing.
Matthew
24:36 (English-NIV)
"No
one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor
the Son, but only the Father.
John
5:30 (English-NIV)
By
myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,
for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Mark 10:17-18 (English-NIV)
17
As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before
him. "Good teacher," he
asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good, except
God alone.
Here we can see
that Jesus said that only God is good, and he made it quite plain that he did
not want to be called good.
Jesus also doesn't know the hour that he will return to earth, and he also testified
that he does nothing of himself, only what he hears from God. These 3 scriptures
show a different picture than the 3 persons in 1 God formula called the Trinity,
that was devised by man, hundreds of years after the last book in the bible
was written, and is not mentioned in either the Old or New Testament.
To truly honor Jesus Christ we must honor who he is. Remember that Jesus is the Truth. He is the Son of the Living God, the Messiah. So we must not only believe the truth with regards to who Jesus really is, but we must also recognize that he is the Truth.
If we say that Jesus is one of the equal persons that make up God, then we are not speaking the truth, rather we are following the doctrines of man and demon. Jesus taught us clearly that his Father is his God and that he is greater than himself. To truly honor the Father we must honor his Son. To honor Jesus is to believe the truth about him and believe his own words.
John 14:28 (English-NIV)
"You
heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me,
you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater
than I.
John
13:16 (English-NIV)
I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master,
nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
John
6:29 (English NIV)
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe
in the one he has sent."
John 8:42 (English NIV)
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father,
you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come
on my own; but he sent me.
When Jesus came
to earth he came for a reason.
He came to destroy the works of the Devil.
See the next 2 scriptures:
Hebrews 2:14 (English-NIV)
Since
the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by
his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil
1
John 3:8 (English-NIV)
He
who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning
from the beginning.
The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.
Jesus also came to show us God, to declare him and to bring us back into fellowship with God, this actually equates to destroying the work of the Devil. It is the Devils works that have alienated Man from God, it is Jesus works commissioned by the Father that brings man back to God.
John
17:26 (English-NIV)
I
have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that
the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
John 14:8-9 (English-NIV)
8
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can
you say, `Show us the Father'?
Here we can
see that Jesus was teaching the disciples about the Father.
Jesus was not saying he was the Father, he was declaring/revealing him. Jesus
was also showing the disciples who he was, i.e. the Image of God. That is why
he could say "If you have seen me you have seen the Father".
If we want to know what our Father, (the invisible eternal Spirit) looks like,
then all we have to do is look at Jesus who is the image of the invisible God.
He is the likeness of God in bodily form. He is the only begotten Son of God
and remember that he is the only one who can see God and the only one who can
declare him.
John 1:18 (English-KJV)
No man hath seen God at any time,
the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared
him.
The next scriptures point out quite clearly that we must honor the Son if we are to honor our Father God.
John
5:23 (English-NIV)
that
all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor
the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John
12:44 (English-NIV)
Then
Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only,
but in the one who sent me.
If Jesus is the Image of his Father, then it makes sense that whatever we say about Jesus we are also saying about his Father. If we slander Jesus then we are slandering God, not because Jesus is God, rather he is like God. If you slander the Son would that not be offensive to the Father. It is interesting to note that Jesus also said that whatever we say about the least of his brethren, we are saying it to him, this is because we (believers) are being made into the image of Christ. But this doesn't actually make us Christ, rather we are like him. God -> Christ -> Man/Church
Colossians
2:9-10
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives
in bodily form,
10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every
power and authority.
So just as the Deity is in Christ, Christ is in us. But some try to say that Jesus is the Deity, yet they know full well that we are not Christ. To be divine and to be the Divine are 2 different things. One identifies a nature/quality and the other identifies a person or identity. God is the Divine and he shares his nature with his family, i.e., his sons. Christ has divine nature. But we can also partake of the divine nature and even then we are not God and nor will we ever be God.
2
Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious
promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature
and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
The next 3
scriptures show us all good gifts come from the Father, this even includes Jesus
himself and God's Spirit too.
God begat Jesus and God's Spirit proceeds from himself. We were given birth
from God through the Word of Truth who is Jesus. This confirms that the
head of man is Christ.
James
1:17-18 (English-NIV)
17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the
heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might
be a kind of first fruits of all he created.
Romans
8:32 (English-NIV)
He
who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also,
along with him, graciously give us all things?
Luke
11:13 (English-NIV)
If
you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,
how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask
him!"
We know that Jesus is the Son of God, but do we believers worship him?
Hebrews
1:6 (English-NIV)
And
again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's
angels worship him.
This verse shows us that God wants his Angels to worship Jesus.
Matthew 2:2 (English-NIV)
and
asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star
in the east and have come to worship him."
Matthew 2:8 (English-NIV)
He
sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child.
As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."
But doesn't worshipping Jesus contradict many scriptures?
Exodus
34:14 (English-NIV)
Do not worship any other god, for the LORD , whose name
is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Luke
4:8 (English-NIV)
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your
God and serve him only.'
Worshipping Jesus is scriptural and actually doesn't contradict the above scriptures. Why? Because we do not worship Jesus as God, rather the Son of God and the Lamb of God.
Matthew
14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him,
saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
Revelation
5: 12-14 (English-NIV)
12
In a loud voice they sang: "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power
and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!"
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and
on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne
and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever
and ever!"
14 The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.
The last verse above shows us that God and Jesus are worshipped in heaven. We worship Jesus as the Son of God and we worship the Father as God. All honor and worship to Jesus is really honor and worship to the Father anyway, because Jesus is the only way to God. Not all worship and praise is identified as being toward God alone. At times God's servants recieve praise such as King David, but such praise glorifies God. For if God's representitives recieve praise for doing the will fo God, then it is ultimately God that recieves that praise. We can even worship God by simply acknowledging the beauty of nature and the universe, as long as we acknowlege that God created then.
So Jesus shares the same honor that is due to the Father as he visibly represents his Father, the Invisible God.
John
5:23 (English-NIV)
that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 14:6 (English-NIV)
Jesus
answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
Those who worship the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as 3 separate persons and each as God are really worshipping more than one God. Trinitarian believers will refute this and say that the 3 persons are one God, yet they worship any of the 3 that they want to at anytime. Let's just get real here and admit that such people worship 3 Gods. On one day it may be the Son, another the Father and another the Holy Spirit or all at the same time. But the scriptures are very clear with regards to worshipping the one true God. YHWH is the one true God.
So the scriptures are quite clear as to who Jesus is. He is the Son of God and the Messiah. We also know that by it's very definition, a Father is the originator and a Son has a source. But some people believe that Jesus Christ did not exist before his birth on earth, even though they acknowledge that Jesus is the Logos/Word. They say that he didn't actually exist as a person till he was clothed in flesh and was born on this earth. But what do the scriptures say?
John
6:8
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will
but to do the will of him who sent me.
The above scripture points out 2 things. First, that Jesus came from Heaven, so he must have existed in Heaven before his birth as a man, and secondly that he has his own will and he chose to align his will with God's will.
The next scripture shows clearly that Christ existed before he came to earth.
John
1:15
15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This
was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he
was before me.' "
We know from scripture that John the Baptist was 6 months older than Jesus Christ. So it is physically impossible for Christ to be before him. This verse shows pre-existence.
Jude
1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority,
through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
This verse is either saying that glory, majesty, power... before all ages or it is saying the same thing but through Jesus Christ before all ages. Most translations favour the second option, but some do not mention the 'through Jesus Christ' part such as the King Kames version. I leave that one up to you to think upon.
1Corinthians
10:1-4
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers,
that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through
the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 They all ate the same spiritual food
4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock
that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
So it appears that Christ accompanied Moses and the Jews when they left Egypt.
Colossians
1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over
all creation.
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Hebrews
1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets
at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir
of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
So God who created all things, created them through Christ. Surely this suggests that he must have existed before all things in order for God to create all things. The universe, the angels, man, and animals existed before Jesus was born as a man. But the scriptures say that God created all these things through Christ.
John
17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory
I had with you before the world began.
So Jesus had glory before the world began. How can some people say that Jesus didn't pre-exist his earthly existence as a man?
John
1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was god.
This verse mentions
God as a person, except for the last word 'god' which is talking about the nature
of God. i.e., In the beginning was the Divinity and the Word was with the Divinity
and the word was divine. The verse says that the Word existed with God as another
identity and he had the nature of that God. For more information about this,
visit the following page:
http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/Trinity-5.htm#john1
Luke
10:18
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Compare Luke 10:18 with Revelation 12:1-10. Jesus said that he saw Satan fall. Was this in a vision or did he literally see him fall?.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was
born, I am!"
The last verse says I am, which means I exist or I existed. This is the clearest statement of Jesus existing before he came to earth as a man. Jesus himslef said these words, so who are we to say otherwise?
Finally to conclude this part of the study, I want to point out a very interesting scripture from the Book of Proverbs. The verse is Proverbs 8:22-30 (English-NIV) and it talks about the concept of wisdom, then to wisdom himself:
So from this verse we can see the following points.
But some say that Wisdom isn't Christ, rather this is just wisdom in a conceptual sense and it is true that wisdom is being spoken of in that way as wisdom is referred to as a she. But from verse 22 onward it changes tempo. With terms like I was given birth, I was the craftsman at his side and I was filled with delight, we have to admit that it seems to be talking about a person.
Even today we refer to objects or concepts as 'she'. We call boats, cars, wars, etc., 'she'. e.g., "She was a bad war alright". "She can drive fast enough." "She was a powerful storm." But if I said "he can drive fast enough", then most would assume I was talking about a person and not the car.
But if wisdom in God was the first to be begotten (brought forth) then who was really first to be begotten? Was it wisdom or the son? Or are they one in the same? For God created all things with wisdom and would it be incorrect to call Jesus 'Wisdom'. If God created all things in truth, would it be incorrect to call Christ the 'Truth'. If God who is the originator of all life gave that life to his son, then could we not say that Jesus is the 'Life'. It appears that he is all those concepts or attributes of God, but personified. After all God created all creation through Christ and so would it not be befitting for Christ to be the personification of all those attributes of God.
Remember these two points:
1
Corinthians 1:24 (English-NIV)
but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1
Corinthians 1:30 (English-NIV)
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who
has become for us wisdom from God that is, our righteousness, holiness
and redemption.
Let's look at a range of God's attributes that Jesus personifies:
If we go back to Proverbs 8:22-30 and look at John 1:1, we see the following similarities.
John 1:1 (English-NIV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
Compare with "The
LORD brought me forth as the first of his works" and "I
was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began".
Proverbs 8 22-23
Hebrews
1:5-6 (English-NIV)
5
For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today
I have become your Father Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will
be my Son"
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let
all God's angels worship him."
Compare with
"When there were no oceans, I was given birth".
Proverbs 8:24
Colossians
1:15-16 (English-NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible
and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things
were created by him and for him.
Compare with "Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,".
Proverbs 8:30
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